he cut taxes everywhere except for that ratio. he cut capital gains tax. he got rid of them for 0 owner occupied homes. he cut tax on elderly workers and cut government spending by more than the last two presidents combined. just the opposite of president barack obama. >> why isn't president obama following that model? that model clearly had good results. why not do those things to capital gains taxes, et cetera? >> you've gone beyond my pay grade. every time you have the tax rate reductions, especially in the highest income groups, you have expansion like under kennedy, aig, bill clinton, hardy and coolidge. when you raise tax on the rich, you don't get your money and you cause recession or decline. it's common sense. you've never heard of anyone taxing an economy into prosperity. >> i go to you for the expertise but you make a compelling case. art laffer, former advisor -- >> by the way, alisyn. i saw the "fox & friends" team, sunday before christmas, drinking on the job. >> we were sniffing. >> okay. is that what you -- sniffing on the job. >> not drink